Old Man's Beard at Caparra, NSW
Identification history
| Clematis (genus) | 27 Jun 2025 | JasonPStewart | ||
| Clematis (genus) | 27 Jun 2025 | JasonPStewart | ||
| Clematis glycinoides | 27 Jun 2025 | maznee |
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7 comments
JasonPStewart
wrote:
27 Jun 2025
@Maznee . Good morning !
Difficult to confirm this identification without some flowersing or fruiting parts.
Difficult to confirm this identification without some flowersing or fruiting parts.
maznee
wrote:
27 Jun 2025
Thanks Jason. I was going off an old key (1980) by John Williams and Gwen Harden which distinguishes them by the number of teeth on the leaflets. It’s a lovely old key but I’m sure not in use these days.
JasonPStewart
wrote:
27 Jun 2025
Yeah i have those old keys by awesome John Williams and awesome Gwen Harden.
As you know subsequently awesome Gwen Harden and many collaborators made the Flora of NSW four volumes, which in turn have become out of date, and the Flora of NSW online PlantNet website needs a bit of up date too and more funding, these days.
Hence, i checked again the Flora of NSW online PlantNet and again the species descriptions of the three candidate spp.;
sometimes vines of _Clematis glycinoides_ and _Clematis pickeringii_ can have a few teeth on the margins of their leaves too,
which more usually vines of _Clematis aristata_ have, and which too can have leaves without any teeth (ie. a spectrum from, leaves' margins with many teeth all the way through to the opposite extreme of without any teeth).
Hence, we require flowering and/or fruiting parts to go from this suggested species identification –fine as a suggestion–, to confirming a species identification .
As you know subsequently awesome Gwen Harden and many collaborators made the Flora of NSW four volumes, which in turn have become out of date, and the Flora of NSW online PlantNet website needs a bit of up date too and more funding, these days.
Hence, i checked again the Flora of NSW online PlantNet and again the species descriptions of the three candidate spp.;
sometimes vines of _Clematis glycinoides_ and _Clematis pickeringii_ can have a few teeth on the margins of their leaves too,
which more usually vines of _Clematis aristata_ have, and which too can have leaves without any teeth (ie. a spectrum from, leaves' margins with many teeth all the way through to the opposite extreme of without any teeth).
Hence, we require flowering and/or fruiting parts to go from this suggested species identification –fine as a suggestion–, to confirming a species identification .
maznee
wrote:
27 Jun 2025
Thanks Jason. All my keys are getting old like me. I should update I guess.
JasonPStewart
wrote:
27 Jun 2025
Yeah we all have to keep learning up to date as much as possible. I'm 55 yo .
Location information
- Coordinates 152.213578-31.704839
- Altitude 202.1m
- Places Caparra, NSW
Sighting information
- At least 1 Abundance
- 26 Jun 2025 02:07 PM Recorded on
- maznee Recorded by
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maznee NatureMapr Hunter Region Clematis (genus) Climbers Climbers & Mistletoes Plants
Additional information
- 1 metre to 5 metres Plant height
Species information
- Clematis (genus) Scientific name
- Old Man's Beard Common name
- Not Sensitive
- Local native
- Non-invasive or negligible
- Up to 1347.66m Recorded at altitude
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